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Today’s guest on The Long Run is Jeff Huber.
Jeff Huber, co-founder and general partner, Triatomic Capital
He’s the co-founder and general partner at Triatomic Capital. It’s a relatively new venture fund that seeks to back “century-defining” businesses in Engineered Biology, New Materials, Next Gen Compute, New Energy, & Automated Economy.
Jeff and his fellow partners are looking at startups that collect and analyze data to address big challenges of the 21st century, where deep learning / AI could be useful.
Jeff was the founding CEO of Grail, the company that sequences DNA from blood samples to detect early signs for 50 different types of cancer. Before that, he had a long and storied career in Silicon Valley, including 15 years at Google. Jeff has his fingerprints all over some of the most common apps that Google developed in those rapid growth years, and which are now used by people around the world every day.
Jeff has certainly come a long way. He grew up on a family farm in northwest Illinois, about 20 miles away from where I grew up. I had no idea we had this much in common until we were hiking together on the trails of the Himalayas in 2022, on a fundraising expedition for the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center.
In this conversation, Jeff expanded on some of those early life experiences and how they affected his life and career trajectory.
Part of Jeff’s story involves personal tragedy. His first wife, Laura, died of cancer in 2015. This experience was part of what motivated him to work on Grail, to help more people detect cancer earlier. Although we didn’t discuss it during this conversation, I should note that Jeff is now happily re-married and has a blended family. I asked some about his oldest daughter Grace because I got to know her on that expedition to Nepal.
This conversation ran longer than usual, but I think it will be absorbing for people thinking about the intersection of tech and biotech, where so much potential for innovation resides.
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Dr. Jingyi Liu, clinical fellow in medicine, Brigham & Women’s Hospital
Two gene therapies for sickle cell disease, CRISPR/Vertex’s exa-cel and Bluebird Bio’s lovo-cel, are being reviewed by the FDA and are likely to win US approval for sale by the end of the year.
While it will take more time to fully establish long-term safety and efficacy of these therapies, they offer a glimmer of hope for a cure.
This is the culmination of a decades-long scientific journey. In 1957, molecular biologist Vernon Ingram’s discovery revealed the genetic basis of sickle cell disease — a single amino acid substitution in the hemoglobin beta chain. Since then, investments in sickle cell disease research trailed behind other genetic disorders, resulting in limited progress and treatment options. Current treatments like hydroxyurea, Endari, Adakveo, and Voxelotor manage but don’t cure sickle cell disease, leaving patients with an average life expectancy of just 50 years. Bone marrow transplants offer a cure, but they come with life-threatening risks.
Exa-cel and lovo-cel offer the potential for transformative change. These therapies target the genetic root of the disease, potentially functioning as cures that would alleviate fatigue, excruciating pain crises and cardiovascular complications.
Recent data releases suggest that these therapies are breakthroughs from standard of care. 31 of the 32 evaluable patients who had received lovo-cel had resolution of severe vaso-occlusive crises through 24 months of follow-up. Similarly, 16 of 17 evaluable patients who had received exa-cel were free of severe vaso-occlusive crises for at least 12 consecutive months. For context, the median number of severe vaso-occlusive events among these patients in the 2 years preceding enrollment was 3 to 4 events per year.
However, approval is only the initial step towards realizing the promise of sickle cell gene therapy.
Physicians and patients are about to confront some thorny issues around cost and access. Prices are sure to be in the sticker-shock range of $1 million and up.
Sick Cells, a patient advocacy group, asks a pressing question: “Will eligible patients have full access to coverage to utilize these therapies?”
Historical barriers to care for sickle cell disease are complex, encompassing socioeconomic, geographic, informational, and racial factors. About 100,000 people in the US are thought to have sickle cell disease, but only one in four patients has access to standard oral medications.
The cost of sickle cell gene therapy will be substantially higher than with oral pills. Gene therapy will also require substantially more monitoring and support. Patients must commit to a multi-month process that involves hospitalization, chemotherapy, and an extensive recovery process. While there is the potential for a long-term cure with gene therapy, this isn’t exactly as simple as a one-and-done procedure.
Through interviews with the SCD community, including patient groups, physicians and payors, I compiled a few ideas on how to improve the accessibility of sickle cell gene therapy post FDA approval:
As we celebrate the imminent approval of sickle cell gene therapy, it’s vital to remember that the true relevance of this milestone will depend on what comes next – how many patients receive the treatment and its benefits. If some of these roadblocks aren’t smoothed out, it could create more healthcare disparities, said Dr. Maureen Achebe, a hematologist at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital and the Dana Farber Cancer Institute.
Science has made great advances against sickle cell disease. But realizing the potential of gene therapy for sickle cell disease will require a fundamental overhaul of our healthcare system’s approach to financing and distributing these groundbreaking treatments. We have more work to do to fulfill the promise of sickle cell gene therapy for eligible patients.
Disclosures
Today’s guest on The Long Run is Lori Lyons-Williams.
Lori Lyons-Williams, CEO, Abdera Therapeutics
She’s the CEO of Menlo Park, Calif. and Vancouver, BC-based Abdera Therapeutics.
Abdera is a startup developing targeted antibody drugs loaded with potent microdoses of radiation to give them extra tumor-killing punch. This type of treatment modality has been around for decades. Targeted radiation hasn’t lived up to the full potential scientists have long imagined, but Abdera is part of an emerging crop of new companies that are working through some the classic technical challenges. Abdera announced a $142 million combined Series A and B financing, which I wrote about at the time for subscribers of Timmerman Report.
In this conversation, we talk about Lori’s early career experiences in sales and marketing, a couple key turning points for her growth, the opportunity she sees for targeted radiopharmaceuticals as an emerging class of therapy – especially for tough-to-treat solid tumors. Toward the end, she has some advice for women in biotech.
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This episode is unusual.
Rob Perez, operating partner, General Atlantic; founder, Life Science Cares
Many listeners know of Rob Perez. He’s an operating partner at General Atlantic, the former CEO of Cubist Pharmaceuticals, and the founder of Life Science Cares.
Rob and I have gotten to know each other better the past couple years through our shared passion for mobilizing the biotech community to fight poverty. The Timmerman Traverse for Life Science Cares campaigns have raised $2.9 million over the past three years.
Luke Timmerman, founder & editor, Timmerman Report
Longtime listeners may recall Rob was a guest on this show five years ago, and he spoke about Life Science Cares then. This time around, Rob wanted to turn the tables. He asked the questions, and I was the guest.
We discuss how I grew up on a small family farm in southwestern Wisconsin, some early career influences in newspapers, and how I adapted to the market forces that upended journalism in the 21st century. Those experiences all combined to lay the foundation for this new chapter as both journalist and social entrepreneur.
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Look forward to face-to-face interactions this October at the BIO Investor Forum—or BIF—in San Francisco.
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Don’t miss your chance to network, learn from experts about what’s on the horizon for biotech, and pitch your unique story to potential partners. Held October 17th and 18th at the Hilton San Francisco Union Square.
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David Shaywitz
Two recent Wall Street Journal deep-dives nicely bookend a critical, and unresolved, tension faced by large pharmaceutical companies: how can their R&D organizations discover, develop, and deliver the new medicines patients await, and the growth and return on investment that shareholders demand?
Early this year, I discussed an April 2023 profile of Lilly by journalist Peter Loftus, who described how the company, led by a physician-scientist named Daniel Skovronsky, revitalized Lilly’s R&D, after a decade of documented struggles.
Skovronsky’s pivotal insight, as I wrote, was “recognizing that key decisions were being driven by commercial needs, rather than the best science. Marginal products were advanced (only to later fail) because they targeted a specific commercial need.”
Poor decision making driven by non-scientific considerations – particularly commercial desiderata—is a frequently-encountered challenge in drug development, as VC David Grainger, in particular, has highlighted (see here).
But other large pharma companies (I suspect many if not most large pharma companies) are concerned that they’ve provided excessive latitude to their R&D organizations, rather than insisting on a greater commercial focus.
For instance, last week, Journal reporter Jared Hopkins described how Novartis’s CEO had decided the company’s early efforts were excessively driven by science, and needed a greater emphasis on commercial prospects. Consequently, future sales will now be forecast for products before they enter clinical trials, Hopkins wrote.
Associated with this change in emphasis, the early research arm of Novartis, the Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research (NIBR), “will soon simply be known as Novartis Biomedical Research,” according to STAT.
The new Novartis mindset contrasts, directly, with the approach instituted by former NIBR head Mark Fishman, who deliberately excluded such forecasts from early-stage decision-making (as I discussed a decade ago in Forbes). A decade later, Novartis brass clearly became concerned that NIBR had become “too academic” – pursuing interesting questions without sufficient regard for commercial applications.
While appealing in theory, Novartis’s proposed remedy – essentially, use early commercial forecasting to “pick winners” – makes sense only if you have the actual ability to do this. Otherwise, you have just an exercise in false, if comforting, precision.
A classic study by BCG found that there was essentially no correlation between predicted peak sales for a drug at the time it was approved (i.e. with complete phase 3 data) and actual peak sales. Several years later, as I discussed in Forbes, McKinsey confirmed the fragility of sales forecasts. Consequently, the notion that one can predict sales before human studies in any meaningful way is purely wishful thinking – the sort of “sterile information” (to use Nassim Taleb’s term) that corporate planners typically love, but which is functionally worthless.
As Taleb testified before the Financial Services subcommittee of the U.S. House of Representatives in 2014,
“Some may use the argument about predicting risks equal or better than nothing; using arguments like ‘we are aware of the limits.’ Risk measurement and prediction —any prediction — has side effects of increasing risk-taking, even by those who know that they are not reliable. We have ample evidence of so called ‘anchoring’ in the calibration of decisions. Information, even when it is known to be sterile, increases overconfidence.”
How to pick projects, then?
One view – as analyst Jack Scannell has argued, as I discussed here — is to prioritize areas with good translational models, as slightly better models contribute more impactfully to the odds of success than increasing by several orders of magnitude the number of molecules screened (which is the canonical large pharma approach). In fact, Scannell describes this excessive reliance on scale vs smarts as the “mis-industrialization” of science, and this description seems spot on. (Taleb and I made a similar point in a 2008 commentary in the Financial Times, here.)
Focusing on areas with good translational models is explicitly the approach Vertex is taking, and arguably Regeneron as well. Both Vertex and Regeneron are compelling (and remarkably rare) examples of established drug discovery companies that are still dominated by their powerful R&D cultures; more commonly, the business of running a drug development company is considered too complex to be left to the scientists (in the same way that running a hospital is increasingly considered too complex to be left in the hands of doctors, rather than corporate managers). It’s also true that Vertex and Regeneron are both comparatively small; Regeneron, the larger of the two, employs about only about a tenth the number of people that Novartis does, for example.
Without question, there are many areas of biopharma that arguably benefit from the rigor of traditional corporate industrialization – in particular, the focus on consistent, repeatable processes that operate on a global scale. Manufacturing, engagement with regulators, sales and marketing, even late phase clinical trials largely fall into this category, and tend to be areas that big pharmas do particularly well, and with which corporate executives are fairly comfortable.
But coming up with new products? Not so much.
While pharma companies aspire to develop new products with a range of defined characteristics – the so-called “target product profile” – you generally can’t discover on command.
Moreover, many commercially successful products were developed without any initial interest or support from commercial teams. Merck (see here) was days away from out-licensing pembrolizumab (Keytruda), a drug that had been kept alive by researchers despite the best efforts of successive management to stop the program. Similarly, when Millenium acquired Leukosite, they had no idea that the transaction included a molecule, bortezomib, that would become the most important commercial product in their portfolio.
Big pharmas are built around establishing repeatable processes…but there simply isn’t a playbook for serial creative success.”
Big pharma brings considerable resources to discovery, as well as an extremely high degree of rigor, and often an exceptional amount of implicit knowledge, particular in areas like medicinal chemistry. But large pharma (as Safi Bahcall has nicely described – see here and here) also tend to be exceptionally bureaucratic and process-driven, and I’m not optimistic you can process and administrate your way to creativity and insight. I’d argue the process-driven mindset that serve other aspects of drug development and delivery so effectively (enabling the distribution of safe and effective medicines to patients around the world) have, on balance, an adverse impact on novel discovery. Moreover, for all the efforts of big pharma to enable research groups that are more “biotech-like,” the incentives and cultures of most large corporations just doesn’t seem to allow for this, in practice.
This isn’t an argument for aimless discovery research. Rather, it seems inevitable that an ever-greater number of future first-in-class medicines will come from the focused and high-performing teams in the start-up world. Big pharmas are built around establishing repeatable processes, and driving incremental refinements. But original discovery – to the dismay of most large pharma – often isn’t about turning the crank faster.
Rather, originality in drug discovery, as in other areas, requires, in addition to an intended destination, a high degree of agility, freedom, and imagination; the capacity to embrace and live with uncertainty, rather than obscure it with sterile forecasts; and the humility and ambition to imagine a future different from and beyond what we might anticipate, and extrapolate to, today. Perhaps most difficult for large, process-driven corporations, it requires a recognition that there simply isn’t a playbook for serial creative success. These are principles that exceptional leaders like Ed Catmull, the CEO of Pixar in its heyday, have intuited, and that most large corporate cultures struggle to sustain.
Recent Astounding HealthTech columns on Pharma R&D
Today there are two guests on The Long Run: Zach Weinberg and Alexis Borisy.
Zach Weinberg, co-founder, CEO, Curie Bio
They are co-founders of Curie.Bio.
Curie is a venture capital fund with $520 million, mostly for seed investments and Series A rounds in biotech startups. It also is also building up in-house R&D expertise which it uses to help the entrepreneurs it backs.
Curie pitches itself as different from other venture firms partly because it allows the CEO/founders it backs to hold onto a greater percentage of ownership than traditional VCs have been willing to hand over. Curie also says it wants to allow entrepreneurs to retain more control over decision-making. This boils down to a battle cry of ‘Free the Founders.’
Alexis Borisy, co-founder, operating chairman, Curie Bio
They are tapping into the zeitgeist. Many biotech entrepreneurs feel they sweat bullets for years, shouldering too much of the hard work and risk, without reaping enough of the rewards.
It’s still early days for Curie Bio, but this is conversation worth having about the terms of engagement in biotech startups.
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Welcome to the next big biotech expedition — Timmerman Traverse for Damon Runyon Cancer Research Foundation.
A team of executives, investors, and scientists are coming together on Kilimanjaro, the highest peak in Africa, in February 2024.
We’re on a mission to raise $1 million for young scientists across the US.
Damon Runyon gives promising young researchers the freedom to pursue brave and bold ideas. Its grant recipients have opened up entire new fields with targeted therapies, CRISPR gene editing, and cancer immunotherapy.
The biotech community knows the value of this work and is stepping up to support it.
I’m happy to announce that PPD Biotech Solutions, part of Thermo Fisher Scientific, is our lead sponsor.
Corporate sponsorship opportunities are available for this special expedition for cancer research. See Elyse Hoffmann, senior director of partnership strategy at Damon Runyon, to brainstorm ideas. elyse.hoffmann@damonrunyon.org.
Please see our team fundraising page to learn more and donate.
We’re pushing ourselves to do something difficult. We’ll enjoy Mother Nature. We’ll form meaningful relationships on the trails.
We’re going to make a positive impact for young scientists.
Thank you for your support!
Timmerman Traverse
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Today’s guest is Fred Appelbaum.
Fred is a physician, scientist, and administrator. He’s an executive vice president at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle.
He’s also the author of a new book, “Living Medicine: Don Thomas, Marrow Transplantation and the Cell Therapy Revolution” published by Mayo Clinic Press. It’s excellent.
Fred knows a lot of this story from firsthand experience.
He has spent his career conducting research and treating patients with leukemias, lymphomas, and other cancers of the blood. He’s a pioneer in the field of bone marrow transplantation and was the lead author of a 1978 paper in the journal Blood that heralded the first successful engraftment of autologous bone marrow in patients with malignant lymphoma.
Fred Appelbaum
One of Fred’s key influences was E. Donnall Thomas. Don Thomas won the Nobel Prize in 1990 for the discoveries that paved the way for bone marrow transplantation to become a common, and lifesaving procedure, for people with blood malignancies and more. Thomas died in 2012.
There’s a story to tell here about Don Thomas.
In this conversation, Fred discusses the book, the researching and writing, and a few things he learned.
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Today’s guest on The Long Run is Colin Hill. He’s the co-founder and CEO of Aitia (pronounced Ay-tee-ah).
The company was founded in 2000, and previously known as GNS Healthcare. The GNS part was short for Gene Network Sciences, which gives you some sense of what it was about.
Colin Hill, co-founder and CEO, Aitia
Aitia is a new name to reflect a new strategy. The company has undergone a shift in the past year to focus on drug discovery and development of its own novel medicines. Aitia is seeking to leverage deep wells of genomic, proteomic and other comprehensive ‘omic datasets. When the data can be extracted from human samples, it creates what Aitia calls a ‘digital twin’. It believes this type of data will shed light on the complex networks of human biology that sometimes go awry and lead to disease.
For many years, Colin and colleagues worked with partners – both large pharma companies and with healthcare payers – that sought to discover some useful insights in those large datasets. It wasn’t seeking to discover drugs on its own, move them along in early development, and create value that way.
Colin came to this work with a background in math and physics, first at Virginia Tech and then at Cornell University. He took the entrepreneurial leap a little over 20 years ago, at a time when the genomics boom and the first Internet dotcom boom were on. He’s seen fluctuations in the hype cycle and found ways to adapt the company so it could keep going.
Over time, Colin and the Aitia team obtained access to more datasets and kept honing causal AI algorithms – which seek to predict disease and tell us what’s going wrong mechanistically that is causing disease.
The proof, like everything in biotech, will be in the clinical data. But it has secured drug discovery partnerships this year with UCB and a second partnership with Servier.
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